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SupaSupraSE
08-04-2005, 04:26 PM
The SAFC-2 is used by a lot of fellow na-t owners. While some use just the SAFC-2 and their MAF, others do the SAFC/VPC combination and ditch their MAF.

You must also note that the 1993.5-1995 supras, will wire up differently than those that are 1996-1998. This is due to the earlier models (93.5-95) being OBD1, while the older models (96-98) are OBDII.

Getting Started:

Go to the passenger side of the car. On the right side of the floor is a black plastic cover held in by a wedge screw. Push on the middle of the screw and pull it out, then pull out the side piece which is part of the door trim--it just pulls out and snaps in. Once that is removed pull back the carpet which will expose the ECU protective shield (the carpet is held in by two plastic screw wedges at the top). Use your sockets to remove the two nets holding the shield down and remove the shield. The ECU should now be exposed. Remove the last nut that is holding the ECU down. Then slip the end over the screw and pull the ECU down and it should be free. The top part of the ECU harness can be removed by pinching and pulling on it. The bottom harness needs to be unscrewed to be removed, either with a screwdriver or with your sockets. After unscrewing the harness pull it off the ECU and set the ECU out of the way. You may need to remove some electrical tape that is binding the wires, so you have complete access to them.

Now you can get started wiring your SAFC-2. Before we begin, you have to note the change between the OBD1 supras, and the OBD2.

The OBD1 1993.5-1995 supra will use the KARMEN sensor
The OBD2 1996-1998 supra will use the HOTWIRE sensor

*******FOR OBD1 (1993.5-1995) N/A's-************

-Use PINK wire, instead of YELLOW wire
-Use ORANGE wire, instead of WHITE wire.
-YELLOW and WHITE wire are NOT used
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IF YOU ARE OBD2, FOLLOW THESE STEPS EXACTLY AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. OBD1 READ DIRECTLY ABOVE FOR CHANGES YOU MAKE.
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1. Splice the GREEN wire (RPM) into 58

2. Splice the GRAY wire (Throttle) into 43

3.Cut wire 66 in half, leave yourself enough room to connect a wire to ECU harness.

4.Connect the YELLOW wire to the 66 wire connected TO the ECU harness.

5. Connect the WHITE wire to the 66 wire heading AWAY from the ECU harness.

6. Splice the BROWN wire (ground 1) into 69, close to the ecu.

7. Splice the BLACK wire (ground 2) into 69 at least 1cm away from the Brown wire.

8. Splice the RED wire (12V+) in to ECU wire 31.

9. PINK and ORANGE wires are not used.
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OK, Now you have all of the wiring done, double check all of your connections, reconnect the wiring harness to your ECU. Make sure all of those wires are still tight. Plug the harness into the S-AFC. Reconnect your battery cable. Turn the ignition to the ON position. The AFC should boot up and display A'PEXi, if screen did not light up, stop disconnect the battery and find out what went wrong. Most likely it is power or ground problem (or a loose ecu harness.)

If the unit Powers On, follow these steps:

First start off by Resetting the AFC. Many have often complained that their AFC does not show full throttle(%100), regardless if it is brand new. Go under [etc.] and press NEXT~>. Confirm "YES" when prompted "Init. All?" and press NEXT again, Now turn the ignition OFF and then back ON, and the unit should now be reset and ready.

Next enter the following basic settings:

1.-Go to [main] ~>[setting] ~> [3. TH-Point] ~> [Lo-94, Hi-95]

*2.-Go to [main] ~>[etc.] ~> [1. Sensor Type] ~> [1. Hot-Wire] ~> [in-12, Out-12] ~> [in-1, Out-1]* (SELECT KARMEN IF YOU ARE 93.5-95)

3.-Go to [main] ~>[etc.] ~> [2. Car Select] ~> [Cyl:6, Thr: UP]

4.-Go to [main] ~>[etc.] ~> [3. Graph scale] ~> [Ne = 7000rpm]

5.[Ne-POINT = 3500, 4000, 4500, 5000, 5500, 6000, 6500, 7000]

[Dec. -Air = NOT USED, unless you want to use it to compensate for venting your BOV to atmosphere]


Do not modify the low throttle settings. While at low throttle (in closed loop mode) the ecu will counteract any changes made and over time your long term fuel map will be modified. I recommend modifying your high throttle fuel curve on the dyno with an air/fuel ratio meter & egt gauge installed. For maximum power, one probably wants to run an air to fuel ratio of between 11:1 (rich) and 12.5:1 (lean) Do yourself a favor and pay a professional to tune it. If you lean your engine out, things can melt.

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BLUE WIRE MOD INFO

This allows you to read Oxygen Sensor Voltage on the AFC display. On the wiring harness for the AFC the blue wire is not normally used. The blue wire is meant for the second Mass Air Flow Meter on a Nissan 300ZX. You will connect this wire to the O2 sensor wire right at the ECU. To read the O2 sensor voltage, scroll down to and select the "etc." menu. Select the "Sensor Check". Of the three readings, O2 voltage will be the middle one (#2).
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VPC+AFC

If you are installing the VPC with the AFC, then install the AFC on the output wire of VPC
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yusych
04-23-2008, 11:38 PM
I have a 1995 SC300 i under stand that i need to follow the OBD2 instruction and to switch just to wires, but the question is it says to splice red wire into ECU wire #31, but i dont have that wire coming out of the 31 ont the ecu???

Abear
04-25-2008, 10:46 PM
No, 95 is OBD1

Riceater
05-19-2008, 07:24 AM
Say you have a JDM GTE motor... which one would you use? OBD1 or OBD2? I'll be running an SAFC2 on mine and having one of my friends teach me how to tune with it but it'd be nice if I could educate myself before hand so I'm not completely lost when he's showing me everything.

diamondg_04
06-04-2008, 07:54 AM
Would a VPC with a ROM and harness for an 93-95 Supra work on a 93 GS300? My guess is yes being it is the same engine and engine and parts. Thanks in advance guys.

bahamasupra
09-29-2008, 11:00 PM
My supra has a map senser. what is the difference between hotwire and Karman? Also I have 440 injectors with t-67; about to install 510's is there a tuning program.

Carfreak70852
10-26-2008, 12:30 AM
this write-up is absolutly brilliant. It helped me out so much, Thanks!

silver350tn
11-11-2008, 09:58 PM
for the blue wire mod? which pin/color is for the o2 sensor? thanks

schase
11-14-2008, 09:29 AM
i hooked mines up correct and it didnt work the afc was just dumpin mad fuel and i couldnt control it
car didnt want to start unless it got sum gas and when it started it dump sum real gas mad black smoke
i took it out :-\

silver350tn
11-17-2008, 11:59 AM
^ check the settings, did you purchase it used? you must have reset it and start over any problems pm me

domantas
12-09-2008, 03:39 AM
Super write up, so purple (knock sensor) is not used?

Ali SC3
12-09-2008, 05:42 PM
you can hook up the knock sensor. probably should too.

bahamasupra
12-09-2008, 05:56 PM
I have a japan spec na-t supra. How can i tell if it's a obd1 or 2 ? It dont have mass airflow

domantas
01-03-2009, 05:13 AM
have a question.

You mentioned that I shouldnt play with low throttle setting because while in opel loop (low throttle) ECU will fight my safc adjustments because fuel adjustmens are based on MAF signal and while in closed loop it is based on o2s? There is TPS that tells ECU to swith to closed loop while throttle is opened full? Very technical questions but I need help and if someone can tell me if im understanding this all wrong, if I did not more questions comming soon :)

Ali SC3
01-03-2009, 10:44 AM
yes you are understanding it very wrong. when you are WOT, you car is in open loop, just like when you cold start your car.
when you are regularly driving, you are in closed loop and the car will use your o2 sensors as feedback to adjust over time, no matter what whacky settings you decide to throw at it... unless the settings you make are within its acceptable AFR range (unlikely).

domantas
01-03-2009, 02:39 PM
ok gotcha! Thanks.

How ECU knows when to switch to open loop? Throttle possition? What is TPS voltage or % point at where it swithes to open loop? I want that point to be my SAFC hithrottle point and do not figle with low-thr settings, so that I have most controll out of it. Some people recomend 98%

Supraman117
01-31-2009, 12:29 AM
i hooked mines up correct and it didnt work the afc was just dumpin mad fuel and i couldnt control it
car didnt want to start unless it got sum gas and when it started it dump sum real gas mad black smoke
i took it out :-\

My car did the same thing. But i cant seem to figure out how to freakin reset this thing. Can anyone help? when i go to [etc] i dont seem to see the next and promp all to reset it. Ive read and been trying to mess with this thing for like 30mins now but nothing.:(

domantas
01-31-2009, 03:53 AM
If you talk about safc resetting, then here... download service manual :D from apexi wed, cant remember now how to reset it. How ECU knows when to switch to open loop? Throttle possition? What is TPS voltage or % point at where it swithes to open loop? I want that point to be my SAFC hithrottle point and do not figle with low-thr settings, so that I have most controll out of it. Some people recomend 98%. Is a safc actualy good device for running bigger injectors? (for future maybe :D)

Supraman117
01-31-2009, 02:03 PM
So dont fuck with low throttle then? Ill dowload it from apexi.

domantas
01-31-2009, 03:10 PM
dont if you have stock injectors

Vindedreal
02-07-2009, 02:04 AM
Hey can someone please double check the color of wire 66 on the ecu harness, I wanna make sure I got it right, All my settings read fine except for my karmen. Is it the wire thats half yellow and half green in the ecu harness?

domantas
02-07-2009, 03:13 AM
not sure about the right answer but there is a manual that you can download from apexi website. Guys what numbers you have set for high and low thrtl? Remember, at some point ecu is in closed loop and fights safc adjustments so we need to find out when it goes in open loop. When is the point when ECU goes in open loop? I have done big search on this and it seems there are many opinions, anyone knows for sure?

DrNick
02-07-2009, 04:34 AM
Remember, at some point ecu is in closed loop and fights safc adjustments so we need to find out when it goes in open loop. When is the point when ECU goes in open loop? I have done big search on this and it seems there are many opinions, anyone knows for sure?

The reason why there are many opinions is that this value is different for every car. In fact, it may even be slightly different for two otherwise identical cars. The transition between open and closed loop is largely affected by engine LOAD and therefore the VE (volumetric efficiency) of the stock engine , the stock ECU calibration and any mods which affect VE (such as intake mods) all contribute to this.
You need to install your SAFC and discover the values that work best for your car. Stop searching the internet for an answer and finish putting your car together.

shuiyuan
02-08-2009, 12:15 AM
anybody has a picture that the wires installed on a obd1 ecu?

badsupra
02-16-2009, 12:54 PM
why is it that i have 12 ne point counts but its only showing 8 on your measurements

crn05002
04-11-2009, 02:52 AM
I have a 1993 auto n.a supra. I have been so overwhelmed by the variety of electronics you can use to tune the timing/fuel. would the safc-2 be a good choice for my car? (obd1) if not then what would be best? Thanks for any help on my issue

John_boi
04-11-2009, 12:07 PM
Safc does NOT have timing capabilities. The SafcII is a basic piggy back that will work for boost levels generally under 10psi. The best ecu would be a standalone since it has complete control over timing and fuel maps.

crn05002
04-16-2009, 01:50 AM
thanks, i only plan on running 6-10 psi anyways. I want a conservative 300 hp. so i guess I will go with the safc-2. with this piggy bac and the xspower kit, could i run the stock headgasket, head studs, and injectors? keep in mind, Im NOT looking for big numbers. Just a little boost for show

John_boi
04-16-2009, 09:43 AM
Yes you can run stock injectors and hg. I wouldn't advise going over a 8psi spring since boost will spike around 10 psi just to play it safe. I do have to warn you though, boost is addicting!

crn05002
04-21-2009, 12:35 PM
HAHa, I can agree with you there. Ive got a 2004 SRT-4 S1. It spikes 18 and holds 15 to redline. Stock turbo, wastegate, ect. Just Mopars stage 1 upgrade. Tons of fun, but needs to be sold. I also have an '02 Lightning. stock 9 psi. but you know what? boost from a supercharger is no where near as fun or interesting than boost from turbos, in my opioion..

John_boi
04-21-2009, 11:46 PM
Yes I totally agree. You don't get that initial rush of the turbo spooling to the full boost. You need to sell that Srt and get yourself a Supra!