cost for respectable hp?

[keem]

hey i am lookin at supras(mkiv) and would really like to do na-t, i think itd be more fun and id learn and grow witht he car a lot more, the only problem is it seems very expensive to get up to the numbers a TT can, even with the money saved (ive found its about 10,000 cheaper for na) i am lookin at the big things for costs, ive read the sticky about wut u need. would it be right to say around 15k for a turbo and basic upgrades to the car to be able to handle it, (i dunno how big of a turbo i want or how much boost i want yet either so bare with me, im new at all this and am jus lookin for a lil help), how much would that give me im thinkin pushin it MAYBE 300hp is this right? u guys know better than me like how much boost does what, what ull need with so much boost and wut kinda turbo would be good so maybe u could estimate a better power to money ratio if im way off. after this what options would there be to increase power, my goal is 500-600 but i wanna be able to move up if i want to so i wanna prolly stop there but have my options open. thank you guys, thanks in advance for helpin a supra noob!!!

[Supra4ever]

how much would that give me im thinkin pushin it MAYBE 300hp is this right? u guys know better than me like how much boost does what, what ull need with so much boost and wut kinda turbo would be good so maybe u could estimate a better power to money ratio if im way off. after this what options would there be to increase power, my goal is 500-600 but i wanna be able to move up if i want to so i wanna prolly stop there but have my options open. thank you guys, thanks in advance for helpin a supra noob!!!


300rwhp/350bhp is easy, DaveH kit and add additional parts=$3500
Installation + Dyno tunning $1000~$1500
Total=$4500~$5000 out the door.

500~600hp=420~510rwhp
Larger injectors, headgasket, arp headstuds, lexus AFM, a few gallon of race gas=$1000~$1200
Headgasket job+labor+dyno tunning=$1200~$1600
Clutch= $450
Clutch installlation=$200~$250

[Brown Duckz]

999rwhp or less isn't respectable..... as so Sport Compact says. :thefinger

[keem]

are those numbers kinda low? i saw injectors for like 110 each, but i didnt really shop around, if its only about 10k for 500 id be happy, wut else could i do (money isnt too big of an issue after that ill jus save up for stuff i need) to get more?

where do u guys shop for parts? it seems like the tt has more aftermarket so im scared to commit if i can only go so far,

also i saw if u get a new intake manifold u can use TT parts, what parts would this let u use?

[dejacky]

If you are going for anything above 400rwhp, Please understand that the w58 transmission will eventually break..especially if you drive your car every day or harshly. If I were you, I'd spend $5 on mods and the other $4-$5 on a proper getrag 6 speed swap. :naughty:

[2jzget]

I would a clutch to the list at 300hp.
The stock one won't last.

[keem]

he does have a clutch on there, but then add 5k on the trans so then were up to 15k for about 500, not too bad,

wut TT parts could i use with that manifold?

u guys are soooo helpful i really really appreciate it!! thanks

[Supra4ever]

also i saw if u get a new intake manifold u can use TT parts, what parts would this let u use?
The intake manifold does not really let you use additional TT parts.

Oem TT parts or aftermarket TT parts?

Regardless if you can use TT parts or not, it will reach your goal. If you are talking about aftermarket TT parts, there are way to many, some will work, some will not.

For larger injectors, you can get them for $4++ for a set of 6 from either DaveH or Boostlogic.

[Smokinsupra95]

Nobody really touched on engine management. Might consider AEM EMS w/ boost solinoid, GM 3bar map, and AIT sensors. At a minimum the greddy emanage w/ some type of boost controller (electric or manual), and a turbo timer?

[justins_supra]

300rwhp/350bhp is easy, DaveH kit and add additional parts=$3500
Installation + Dyno tunning $1000~$1500
Total=$4500~$5000 out the door.

500~600hp=420~510rwhp
Larger injectors, headgasket, arp headstuds, lexus AFM, a few gallon of race gas=$1000~$1200
Headgasket job+labor+dyno tunning=$1200~$1600
Clutch= $450
Clutch installlation=$200~$250

Where can you get a 5spd clutch installation for $200~$250?
everywhere I checked says $450.00+

[Ravan17]

with 10 k you can be making about 650 with the boostlogic t67 kit large injectors, and AEM EMS, well considering the tranny holds

[Supra4ever]

Nobody really touched on engine management. Might consider AEM EMS w/ boost solinoid, GM 3bar map, and AIT sensors. At a minimum the greddy emanage w/ some type of boost controller (electric or manual), and a turbo timer?
These items are not absolutely must, it be nice to have these.

I have no boost controller, no engine management, no turbo timer, etc.

[Supra4ever]

Where can you get a 5spd clutch installation for $200~$250?
everywhere I checked says $450.00+
Dynoxtreme, $250 out the door which also includes resurfacing the flywheel if it can be reused, sameday service.

My flywheel was resurfaced and looked just like new.

Nobody really touched on engine management. Might consider AEM EMS w/ boost solinoid, GM 3bar map, and AIT sensors. At a minimum the greddy emanage w/ some type of boost controller (electric or manual), and a turbo timer?
Depending on his goals, for 300rwhp~500rwhp he should be able to get by without these items.

I have no boost controller, no engine management, no turbo timer, etc.

[SupaSupraSE]

$3500 is about what your going to spend to get you into a 300rwhp turbo kit.

Besides the turbo kits, your gonna need the following:

Intercooler and piping, (couplers also), HKS SSQ BOV, oil lines, also most buy midpipes too.

[Idrewfelix]

Do a swap yourself for a 2JZ-GTE and go APU for far cheaper

[Brown Duckz]

You can make boost happen for $2k, you just have to be patient, wait for the deals, etc

[dejacky]

Do a swap yourself for a 2JZ-GTE and go APU for far cheaper IF you have the tools, IF you have the knowledge & experience, IF you know how to work out ALL the bugs after the swap, IF your confident the motor is in good condition, it MIGHT be cheaper. Otherwise, IMHO NA-T is much easier and cheaper. :wackit:

[Bean]

You need about $15k via Boostlogic route and other parts to make about 650whp and drive it around reliably

consists of:
Boostlogic turbokit
AEM ECU setup
electronics
Big fuel setup
transmission swap

You can run the stock intake manifold and stock fuel rail and make that kind of power easily enough on a 67mm or better yet a 71mm turbo

[JiM-HIMSELF]

You need about $15k via Boostlogic route and other parts to make about 650whp and drive it around reliably

consists of:
Boostlogic turbokit
AEM ECU setup
electronics
Big fuel setup
transmission swap

You can run the stock intake manifold and stock fuel rail and make that kind of power easily enough on a 67mm or better yet a 71mm turbo
doesnt the stage 2 kit come with a big fuel setup? also what electronice would you need. What about brakes with all this power its a good idea to upgrade your brakes.

[Brown Duckz]

doesnt the stage 2 kit come with a big fuel setup? also what electronice would you need. What about brakes with all this power its a good idea to upgrade your brakes.The 440cc injectors that come with "stage two" will not flow 600+ hp. AEM standalone is the best for high horse power application. Swap for twin-turbo or LS400 front brakes, you should be fine. Just don't drive 200mph everywhere.

[Brown Duckz]

IF you have the tools, IF you have the knowledge & experience, IF you know how to work out ALL the bugs after the swap, IF your confident the motor is in good condition, it MIGHT be cheaper. Otherwise, IMHO NA-T is much easier and cheaper. :wackit:Well with Boost Logic's stage two @ $5099 missing a few important pieces.... it would be fairly easy to do a swap in that price range. Especially for an automatic car... simply because you wouldn't have to add a built tranny [$1800+]. On stock twins [gte] you can make 400rwhp fairly easy, and the tranny will hold it. It's really up to your aspirations...... both are awesome platforms for power. It's up to you to decide exactly what you want...

[Bean]

doesnt the stage 2 kit come with a big fuel setup? also what electronice would you need. What about brakes with all this power its a good idea to upgrade your brakes.

A big fuel setup includes 800cc+ injectors, twin fuel pumps, new fuel pressure regulator, and the SS lines... the stage 2 kit comes with 440s (550s optional i'm pretty sure)...

An AEM should be able to take care of everything... boostlogic quoted me a good price on the entire AEM unit, all the needed sensors and the wideband setup with gauge display and everything. You can control boost via the AEM but I'd just use a EBC and keep it simple... other than that you need a boost gauge and an EGT gauge and thats about it (fuel pressure gauge should be on the FPR itself)

[nolimits]

I wouldn't be too hasty to opt for the EBC. A GM boost solenoid is so much more cost efficient, no unnecessary installs (unless you like the gadgets), and leaves you with many options for accurate boost control through the AEM. It's not any more difficult to set up than any other AEM parameters, either.

[SecretSC]

You'll have to plug in your laptop everytime you want to change your boost settings.

[scnat]

You'll have to plug in your laptop everytime you want to change your boost settings.
this is true , but you can wire in a toggle switch to change from low to hi boost

[keem]

omg guys this is soo much good info, no other forum responds like this, i think im in love with u guys lol, ok i got more questions wuts AEM (im thinkin its a boost, air/fuel manager kinda thing?) also what do boost controllers and turbo timers do?

[SecretSC]

this is true , but you can wire in a toggle switch to change from low to hi boost

Thats 2 settings, You can have 3 with a boost controller :)

[Brown Duckz]

omg guys this is soo much good info, no other forum responds like this, i think im in love with u guys lol, ok i got more questions wuts AEM (im thinkin its a boost, air/fuel manager kinda thing?) also what do boost controllers and turbo timers do?AEM is a standalone fuel management system, but they don't cost $10k like in the movies. :thumbup:
You can remap your fuel settings, timing, boost control, etc

[nolimits]

If you have AEM, you'll be plugging in your laptop every time you need to make a change to anything. Fiddling around with it is half the fun! Controlling boost through the laptop will allow you to hold the wastegate closed for a quicker spool, speed dependent boost, rpm dependant boost, boost feedback/correction, safety features, and no hacking the dash for a cheap looking boost controller. Adding an EBC is like adding a S-AFC to the EMS on the principal that you don't need your laptop to make fuel corrections. Extra costs, extra mounting/wiring, more clutter, and all completely unnecessary.

[2jzFlyBy]

Nobody really touched on engine management. Might consider AEM EMS w/ boost solinoid, GM 3bar map, and AIT sensors. At a minimum the greddy emanage w/ some type of boost controller (electric or manual), and a turbo timer?


i dont recommend going with the greddy emanage, UrbanCustoms and i did a total install of that and eventually it started to crap out on him, if I were you I would go with AEM, much more user friendly(kinda) then the Greddy Emanage...back to the topic, you can get a basic kit from www.naperformance.com and for about 2200, which includes:
T04E Compressor on turbo with GN Turbine Side with .63 ar.,
38mm Tial wastegate vented to the atmosphere,
Wastegate dumppipe,
3" downpipe,
Cast-Steel manifold
3" K&N Filter
3" Midpipe
and that would give you good numbers, but most people really go with the with the stage 1 which isnt that much different in price, but does works. I did a install with UrbanCustoms and he ended up saving alot of money through that and also he ended up having 300hp on 5psi, so it all depends on what your budget is

omg guys this is soo much good info, no other forum responds like this, i think im in love with u guys lol, ok i got more questions wuts AEM (im thinkin its a boost, air/fuel manager kinda thing?) also what do boost controllers and turbo timers do?
of course your going to find the most info on here, we all know our share about this topic :) but were glad to help you out

[Dramon]

You can pick up S5 T2 injectors for really cheap. I know for a fact you can easily find 6 of them for under 200 total.