Aem Fic & Map Ecu 2...

[gsoup]

I have the emanage ultimate which I haven't installed yet but now i'm contemplating the AEM FIC...

http://www.aempower.com/ViewCategory.aspx?CategoryID=116

http://www.aempower.com/images/categories/bf4a2bb7-a36f-4b23-a966-57eae2262f11.jpg

I've been reading really good things about it and afterall it is an AEM unit.

I've also looked into the MAP ECU 2.
http://www.mapecu.com/map2.html
http://www.mapecu.com/img/unit-map2.jpg

I would like to hear your thoughts and/or comments...

Oh I forgot to mention. I spoke with an AEM Rep., the FIC is going to be under $500 and hopefully should be out by June. hmmmmmm

[98mkiv]

I don't know much about the mapecu2, I know the mapecu1 was a good starting point, so hopefully the mapecu2 is more mature.

I would have a lot of confidence in the AEM FIC. I am sure they have learned quite a bit in their time developing the standalone and other products.

I'd go with the emanage or the FIC. I'd like to see the GUI for the FIC and the MAP ECU because the hardware is only as good as the software.

[pimpin]

do you have any updates on this unit. from the description on the website it seems promising, but i can't find any more info about it.

[98mkiv]

nothing new to report, sorry.

[JeffTsai]

I'm running the MAP-ECU 1 on my 2JZ VVTi motor. It's very easy to tune and runs great. I got it running from a blank table to full boost with just 30minutes of street tuning. It took me an extra hour or so to fine tune it, but everything is rock solid now. Also, you need to unplug all 4 of the O2 sensors if you have an OBD2 car. That's the only real way to prevent the car from relearning. My stock ecu doesn't alter or skew any more of my settings anymore with the O2's unplugged. It's almost like running a standalone, but without the cost! :D

[Cubanstyle]

jeff .. thats nice .. can u specifically tell me what 02 sensor to unplug im thinking of getting the MAP ECU 2 for my IS300 ...

[98mkiv]

Well then..... FUCK those stock O2 sensors, pull them off, and at $40 each for good used ones apply $120 to the price of the FIC!

[Bean]

I see lots of reports that the FIC only works with OBD2 vehicles and that OBD1s are having trouble getting a crank trigger setup or something.

Seen a lot of good stuff on the MAP ECU 2. I might be using one.

[Cubanstyle]

i just bought the AEM FIC and im puttin it in my IS300 NA-T ...i dont know if it works wit OBD1 but FIC is way cheaper then MAP ECU 2 and does the same job !

[98mkiv]

everything works with OBD1 as long as it has a frequency type MAF output (most dont!). The FIC is supposed to be the answer to everyones OBD2 nightmares..... Please scan and post the wiring/manuals.

[98mkiv]

I have used the software and gone thru the full install guidelines. There is a reason they don't do spark ADVANCE - OBD2 will throw a code. This is the first piggyback designed to work with the OBD2 cars without throwing CELs so that's why. As for OBD1.... it looks unsupported. I believe you will only be able to use this with the voltage (OBD2) not frequency type (OBD1) meters. Looks like emanage still has one up as it has dedicated outputs for both types of meteres. But for OBD2 the FIC looks like the best route available!

[Suprasonic]

I'm a newbie to the forum and this is my first post? MAP ECU, SAFC-II, Emanage Ultimate, AEM, etc... What should I be using on my 95 Supra NA Auto?? I have an xspower T-57 turbo kit awaiting installation and I need to know what tuning device I should be using. I'm new to all of this so I want something I can understand as well as save my mechanic time on/off the dyno.

I don't want to hack up my ECU too much if I don't have to so I'll spend the extra coin on a plug-n-play set up.

My goal is to stay around 330rwhp for now no thanks to my stock auto tranny.

Any suggestions???

[98mkiv]

The FIC is for OBD2 cars only..... the MAP ECU 1 or 2 is the way to go for you. The 2 is more suited to the hotwire you are running (frequency).

[insported]

i hear all this talk about the mapecu 2 not using the o2 sensor? Can some one plz explain this or am i just not understanding correctly? But to me mapecu2 looks like the way to go. Tons of other useful features.

[BAR]

I just ordered the MAP ECU 2 with the boost solenoid to use it as an EBC also, I have a 97 N/A going T61-NA/T OBD-II.

At Marks suggestion of course, I hope it works!? Now I'm confused.

[ElitistK]

i just ordered AEM FIC with UEGO wideband sensor. Hopefully the sensor plugs right up to the FIC .

[98mkiv]

FIC is the most affordable fully functioned piggyback for OBD2 going. With the UEGO you should be able to have it self tune more or less. Excellent choice.

Be sure to do your wiring well - solder and heat shrink. If you are not good with soldering, do some practice (min 40 wires soldered to gether) to get your technique down and then do it up. Be sure to use enough solder but not too much so your heat shrink works right.

Post up your experiences with it.

I think we should have a tuning file repository here where we can share tuning maps.

[S14eva1]

The FI/C is not for obd2 only.....Is just that no one has tried it on a toyota/supra obd1 car as far I know.:dunno:

there are a number of nissan guys on ka-t.org having success with the AEM FI/C units on there OBD1 cars...Some are even running the internal map option

[98mkiv]

it has no provision for a frequency type meter. Other than that it can be used on a 0-5V maf sensor OBD1 system, but not on the KV type. It's got some limitations on fuel/timing adjustment that are designed specifically around OBD2 ECU's which do a lot of self checking via the knock sensor, o2 sensors, etc. So using it on an OBD1 system might be adding restrictions you have no need for. I'd go MAPECU1 or 2 on the OBD1.

Mark

[S14eva1]

Oh I see what you are saying,almost forgot about the KV setup on these cars....

btw:You know a place were I can get a good deal on a map ecu 2?

....sorry for the dumb Q but I'm new to the whole NA-T community.:happysad:

[mr2sc300turbo]

So with the FIC on a OBD2 car, if I were to unplug the o2 sensors and install a o2 fooler, the car should pass obd2 emissions?

[98mkiv]

as long as you have no CEL you will pass OBD2 emisssions. The OBD2 is not the easiest to fool, and that is why the FIC excels, it is designed around boosting OBD2 cars.

Nice unit and with AEM behind it you know it will develop well.

[qksl2]

I've used the FIC on a few customers car, and OBD1 is no issue. Most of the problems come if the cars use a multiple pulse injector signal for tip in enrichment. In that case, you need to use the z110 firmware. It was tricky to figure out, but works well once you have it setup.

The map 1 does not work very well. Its buggy and limited. The map2 which we have run on most NA-T cars that aren't AEM works much better, with wideband input that actually works, but the logging isn't very good.

The FIC is better than both, with a better user interface and logging. However the quality of the connectors is terrible and has been a repeated issue. I'm sure AEM will fix this in the future, but we've had SEVERAL ground out in their own connectors.

Ian

[98mkiv]

what cars that were OBD1 did you use them on?

[qksl2]

Mustbishiti's

Ian

[98mkiv]

That's possible but the FIC won't work on OBD1 2JZ-GE motors, they use a frequency type KV MAF, that the FIC won't work with. OBD2 changed over to the 0-5V type and it will work with those.

[qksl2]

Correct. I didn't know you meant only OBD1 2j motors.

Ian

[DrNick]

That's possible but the FIC won't work on OBD1 2JZ-GE motors, they use a frequency type KV MAF, that the FIC won't work with. OBD2 changed over to the 0-5V type and it will work with those.

I get the impresison that the KV MAF is the only limitation to using a FIC on an OBD1 2JZGE. Am I correct? In this case do you think it would be suitable for a MAP based OBD1 JDM 2JZGE?

[98mkiv]

Yes, it will work with any 0-5v type MAF ecu. BUT, if you are not using it with OBD2, then there are better choices, because it is somewhat limited, necessarily so since it was designed to work with the finicky OBD2 ecu without throwing CEL's.

Mark