craaaazzy
07-02-2008, 12:10 PM
okay guys, after a lot of research and compiling information, I have finally done my W58 to R154 (from a MKIII) swap. I posted this on CL and wanted to share w/ u guys as well, only after I confirmed my findings. so here it is:
first off, i must say that i've read a bunch and have done a lot of late night reading on this swap so there is plenty of info out there, especially here on CL.
now, i have not started the actual swap yet and am still collecting parts. just waiting for them to get here. Listed below are the parts I have or have coming to me:
-used R154 from a 1JZ (which does not have extended shifter housing)
-new 1JZ bellhousing and bolts (seller kept his)
-used MKIII driveshaft (from research, will only need front half)
-new HPF ferramic clutch and Spec pressure plate
-new stock 1JZ flywheel, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts
-used clutch release fork, slave cylinder
-all new snap rings, washers, release bearing, pilot bearing: ttp://cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TS...aspx?S=CL&P=11
some info about my w58: the measurement from the front of the bellhousing to the 2 pins of the shifter housing is 26 7/8 inches. shifter is swan neck type.
some info about my r154: the measurement from the front of the bellhousing to the 2 pins of the shifter housing is 26 inches. shifter is swan neck type.
now most of you know you need to do some sort of modification so the shifter comes out in the appropriate spot. i initially chose to do the heat and bend method to the stock MKIII shifter. well, come to find out the shifter is not a solid piece from the bottom to where the knob screws on. the vibration dampener is actually hollow right in the middle with rubber above and below. this is a good thing...
now i start thinking out of the box. i remember when i had my engine/tranny out, the shifter from my w58 looked very similar. so today, i go out and take my w58 shifter out. guess what, the MKIII shifter fits in it and the w58 shifter fits in the R154.
now here is the interesting part: though the shifters are similar, the MKIII shifter is tilted towards the driver's side. in my chassis, it's almost enough to hit the left side of the shifter console when in 1st or 2nd but i can still shift cleanly. i'm assuming this is because the center console for the MKIII is a little off center towards the driver's side. looking at the w58 shifter, it's actually tilted towards the passenger side and puts it in the middle when in neutral.
another interesting difference between the 2 shifters: the w58 shifter is about an inch longer towards the rear. so think of it...the MKIII shifter in my car not only sits closer to the driver's side, it's also an inch more forward. there is also enough room in the shifter console that it does not hit anything up front when in 1st, 3rd, and 5th.
what this all means...
i can use the w58 shifter with the r154 and will only be an inch off within the shifter console. these 2 pics, from joewitafro show what i'm talking about. my measurements are 26 inches and 29 inches where his are 27 and 30, respectively. he's got an actual soarer r154 with the extended housing:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1529/snow041908006ue9.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2271/snow041908001ue3.jpg
my only concern is the 26 inch measurement. the opening within the tunnel is about 2 inches by 2 inches. if the opening isn't big enough on the forward side, i think i'm just going to cut the tunnel enough so the shifter can bolt up. this way, no other modifications are needed. i will update this thread once i begin the swap. i'll also take pics for u guys to see what i'm talking about.
ps. the parts that blizzy mentioned to buy would work. if u use the r154 shifter, it would still be an inch short (which would not matter as there is enough room) or if u use the w58 shifter, it would fit perfectly.
first off, i must say that i've read a bunch and have done a lot of late night reading on this swap so there is plenty of info out there, especially here on CL.
now, i have not started the actual swap yet and am still collecting parts. just waiting for them to get here. Listed below are the parts I have or have coming to me:
-used R154 from a 1JZ (which does not have extended shifter housing)
-new 1JZ bellhousing and bolts (seller kept his)
-used MKIII driveshaft (from research, will only need front half)
-new HPF ferramic clutch and Spec pressure plate
-new stock 1JZ flywheel, flywheel bolts, pressure plate bolts
-used clutch release fork, slave cylinder
-all new snap rings, washers, release bearing, pilot bearing: ttp://cygnusx1.net/Supra/Library/TS...aspx?S=CL&P=11
some info about my w58: the measurement from the front of the bellhousing to the 2 pins of the shifter housing is 26 7/8 inches. shifter is swan neck type.
some info about my r154: the measurement from the front of the bellhousing to the 2 pins of the shifter housing is 26 inches. shifter is swan neck type.
now most of you know you need to do some sort of modification so the shifter comes out in the appropriate spot. i initially chose to do the heat and bend method to the stock MKIII shifter. well, come to find out the shifter is not a solid piece from the bottom to where the knob screws on. the vibration dampener is actually hollow right in the middle with rubber above and below. this is a good thing...
now i start thinking out of the box. i remember when i had my engine/tranny out, the shifter from my w58 looked very similar. so today, i go out and take my w58 shifter out. guess what, the MKIII shifter fits in it and the w58 shifter fits in the R154.
now here is the interesting part: though the shifters are similar, the MKIII shifter is tilted towards the driver's side. in my chassis, it's almost enough to hit the left side of the shifter console when in 1st or 2nd but i can still shift cleanly. i'm assuming this is because the center console for the MKIII is a little off center towards the driver's side. looking at the w58 shifter, it's actually tilted towards the passenger side and puts it in the middle when in neutral.
another interesting difference between the 2 shifters: the w58 shifter is about an inch longer towards the rear. so think of it...the MKIII shifter in my car not only sits closer to the driver's side, it's also an inch more forward. there is also enough room in the shifter console that it does not hit anything up front when in 1st, 3rd, and 5th.
what this all means...
i can use the w58 shifter with the r154 and will only be an inch off within the shifter console. these 2 pics, from joewitafro show what i'm talking about. my measurements are 26 inches and 29 inches where his are 27 and 30, respectively. he's got an actual soarer r154 with the extended housing:
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1529/snow041908006ue9.jpg
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2271/snow041908001ue3.jpg
my only concern is the 26 inch measurement. the opening within the tunnel is about 2 inches by 2 inches. if the opening isn't big enough on the forward side, i think i'm just going to cut the tunnel enough so the shifter can bolt up. this way, no other modifications are needed. i will update this thread once i begin the swap. i'll also take pics for u guys to see what i'm talking about.
ps. the parts that blizzy mentioned to buy would work. if u use the r154 shifter, it would still be an inch short (which would not matter as there is enough room) or if u use the w58 shifter, it would fit perfectly.