New Project? Looky what I have in my possession

[Bean]

Its a quandary I tell you... so many engine swap options... it gets better gas mileage stock than my SC (makes a better daily that way)

But its got rod knock and needs new bearings (so it either needs a new motor or me replacing the bearings in the existing one)

Its a 1992 240sx base coupe 5-speed... its very light and has a completely restored interior (my work from the past) and has new wheels thanks to its previous owner.

The guy that bought this car from me previously didnt have the cash to pay me for the rest of it; and before he left for Iraq he gave it back to me. I sold him the car and it already had slight rod knock I'm pretty positive. It had no radio (speaker wiring was trash too), and was missing a few things.... i put the exhaust on, it needs to be lifted up a little bit.
He put new rims on it, put a few bolt on mods, a new headunit, speaker system (minus sub,but it does have tweeters). And gives it back to me as it sits.

What should I do? I've researched everything on this car in the year I've owned it (Title never changed hands). Its very light, like 2600lbs or so... I'm sure the average drift-kid will tell me to do the SR swap or maybe the Nissan freak who says to swap in an RB25 (what a ripoff of an engine btw).

I'm actually thinking of swapping in an LS1 or LT1. There is a guy that makes a kit for it. LT1s can be had for dirt cheap and with very mild work (like ~$1100 for head porting and cam) plus some tuning can make 360-400whp... which would be hellacious in a 2600lb car (it would weigh about 75-90lbs more than stock)...
LS1s are more expensive but make great power stock... around 300whp stock and 350whp with boltons and over 400whp with just a cam or 420-430 with ported heads too.... its also lighter and the car would end up weighing around the same.

The car would gain some serious balls... the LT1 makes over 300ft-lbs of torque before 2000rpms. The T56 6-speed would be a definite....
trying to do something for under $3500. The 1jz would be a good swap too; but no one makes mounts for it; and the Toyota and Nissan harnesses work a little different and it would be more difficult vs the Chevy V8.

Any ideas?

[Bean]

How the interior was previously.

[Bean]

now its a completely restored BLACK interior with earlier model carpet (its a dark tweed, much tougher than the later-model plush) and S14 seats.

[shaman]

Ls1 + T66 + t56 + s13 = teh win, and good gas milage to boot.

[Jaxsc3]

all this talk of motor swaps .... build up the ka motor duh! www.phatka-t.com

[Bean]

all this talk of motor swaps .... build up the ka motor duh! www.phatka-t.com

Yeah thats a possibility too but the KA doesnt really have anymore potential than the SR and its much more prone to break.
I'd honestly rather NOT build up a motor... because I've never broken down the components, I'm unsure of measuring clearances (and when to do it), etc

[shaman]

Yeah thats a possibility too but the KA doesnt really have anymore potential than the SR and its much more prone to break.
I'd honestly rather NOT build up a motor... because I've never broken down the components, I'm unsure of measuring clearances (and when to do it), etc


Then, yeah, you are stuck at about 325 on the KA for the rods, if I remember correctly.

[Bean]

Then, yeah, you are stuck at about 325 on the KA for the rods, if I remember correctly.

Yeah I think thats correct... the pistons die around 400whp IIRC... its the ring lands that go in them.

[got_trd]

hahaha..... we might start a project like yours, but its a convertible :)

[Bean]

with what? :) a V8 or a 1jz?

I dunno what to think about the converts... I know they are heavier... but I always liked convertible vehicles anyways...

[cherplex]

i used to have a sr powered s14 i miss it. i always wondered about a 1jz in a 240. 250sx lol. dont mind me i'm pulling a double and its 4am and im on cl sf and clubna-t

[KeepBoostinya]

I would love to have that as a daily.

[soarerflame]

Ok the RB25 is not a rip off of a motor. Its completely different than the 1JZGTE exhaust and intake ports on opposite sides. Its rather rev happy as well and internals can handle power till about 500hp. I myself would rather do the CA18 or the RB20. I am in the middle of a swap right now in an s13 coupe with an rb20. plus it sounds so sweet i mean come on a 2.0 liter straight six. It revs so high too and its a blast to drive. If you want big super hp go the toyota supra lexus sc route. You want instant squirt for stupid cheap then the rb series are the best. Check out

http://www.tophatperformance.com/


Nissan motors are great and reliable. They just don't make motors to handle stupid amounts of hp like the 1jz and 2jz. Econo hp

[Bean]

Ok the RB25 is not a rip off of a motor. Its completely different than the 1JZGTE exhaust and intake ports on opposite sides. Its rather rev happy as well and internals can handle power till about 500hp. I myself would rather do the CA18 or the RB20. I am in the middle of a swap right now in an s13 coupe with an rb20. plus it sounds so sweet i mean come on a 2.0 liter straight six. It revs so high too and its a blast to drive. If you want big super hp go the toyota supra lexus sc route. You want instant squirt for stupid cheap then the rb series are the best. Check out

http://www.tophatperformance.com/


Nissan motors are great and reliable. They just don't make motors to handle stupid amounts of hp like the 1jz and 2jz. Econo hp

The RB25 is a ripoff... compare it to the more powerful and stronger 1jz... $2000 for a JZA70 1jz-gte cut (or if i wanna go real cheap, $1200 for a soarer cut)... or $3000-$3500 for an RB25... thats not stupid cheap; thats expensive and a ripoff.

The 1jz is just as rev-happy if not MORESO than the RB25.

RB20s sound nice to the ear, but again thats not a real smart option either... no aftermarket and the motor is very weak internally. I'd take a SR20 or CA18 over it any day of the week.

When you can pick up a 1jz which already has opposite side intake and exhaust manifold (the RB25 wraps up over the top of the motor like the JZ-GE variants do) for much cheaper... whats the point of the RB25?

[soarerflame]

The RB25 is a ripoff... compare it to the more powerful and stronger 1jz... $2000 for a JZA70 1jz-gte cut (or if i wanna go real cheap, $1200 for a soarer cut)... or $3000-$3500 for an RB25... thats not stupid cheap; thats expensive and a ripoff.

The 1jz is just as rev-happy if not MORESO than the RB25.

RB20s sound nice to the ear, but again thats not a real smart option either... no aftermarket and the motor is very weak internally. I'd take a SR20 or CA18 over it any day of the week.

When you can pick up a 1jz which already has opposite side intake and exhaust manifold (the RB25 wraps up over the top of the motor like the JZ-GE variants do) for much cheaper... whats the point of the RB25?


SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND! How many 1JZGTE's are running around in the nation in SC's and MKIII? Not as many as RB powered 240s. Also the reason they are so damn expensive is because the RB25 came in 1995 R33 to 2001 R34 (NEO 6 in R34) which are still fairly expensive cars. Don't forget that if you want the separate side intake the greddy manifold is 600 bucks not 2400 like the Titan motorsports. The aftermarket support in the inline 6s are very comparable. A lot of the parts for the 1jzgte and the 2jzgte are compatible. Well alot of the parts for the RB20/25/26 are compatible. The RB20 is not as strong, true I can understand that but it can handle 300hp before it pops more than enough for a 2600lb car. Be that as it may the motorset is $1200 shipped from J-Hot. So comparing the 1JZ to the RB series is like comparing nuts to bolts. Also many people who chose the RB series transplant want the same brand motor in their car and Nissan guys hate to bastardize their cars. Never will you hear a Nissan car with a T400 tranny. Similar but very different sorta like the Chevy Vs. Ford argument.

If you look at the craze in the industry its all nissan right now. If you look at any magazine right now how many SC300s and NA Supra MKIII/IV that have swaps or turbo kits have you seen? I can safely say that every magazine I have read in the last 12 months has had at least one nissan powered vehicle in it except for Honda Tuning and Euro Tuner. The 240SX is the new civic and the new integra. On face value I do believe that in the next 24 months the craze will triple but will also spread like wild fire to the SC's. They are affordable now and stupid power can be had for a whole lot less than expected. So why is an RB25 clip costing $3500 shipped and why is a JZZ30 clip costing $2500 shipped. Supply and demand! Not only that but toyota was being a bitch and made a shit load of automatics. Most nissans comes in manual very few are actually autos. I know i am on a Toyota board and I am a Nissan Geek but most of all I am a car geek. So to say the least each motor and manufacturer have their pros and cons. Plus I miss the days of buying a whole front clip for $900 shipped for ans S13 Redtop. Damn band wagoners make my hobby so damn expensive.


My .02 cents


Amir

P.S.

FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:

[Bean]

SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND! How many 1JZGTE's are running around in the nation in SC's and MKIII? Not as many as RB powered 240s. Also the reason they are so damn expensive is because the RB25 came in 1995 R33 to 2001 R34 (NEO 6 in R34) which are still fairly expensive cars. Don't forget that if you want the separate side intake the greddy manifold is 600 bucks not 2400 like the Titan motorsports. The aftermarket support in the inline 6s are very comparable. A lot of the parts for the 1jzgte and the 2jzgte are compatible. Well alot of the parts for the RB20/25/26 are compatible. The RB20 is not as strong, true I can understand that but it can handle 300hp before it pops more than enough for a 2600lb car. Be that as it may the motorset is $1200 shipped from J-Hot. So comparing the 1JZ to the RB series is like comparing nuts to bolts. Also many people who chose the RB series transplant want the same brand motor in their car and Nissan guys hate to bastardize their cars. Never will you hear a Nissan car with a T400 tranny. Similar but very different sorta like the Chevy Vs. Ford argument.

If you look at the craze in the industry its all nissan right now. If you look at any magazine right now how many SC300s and NA Supra MKIII/IV that have swaps or turbo kits have you seen? I can safely say that every magazine I have read in the last 12 months has had at least one nissan powered vehicle in it except for Honda Tuning and Euro Tuner. The 240SX is the new civic and the new integra. On face value I do believe that in the next 24 months the craze will triple but will also spread like wild fire to the SC's. They are affordable now and stupid power can be had for a whole lot less than expected. So why is an RB25 clip costing $3500 shipped and why is a JZZ30 clip costing $2500 shipped. Supply and demand! Not only that but toyota was being a bitch and made a shit load of automatics. Most nissans comes in manual very few are actually autos. I know i am on a Toyota board and I am a Nissan Geek but most of all I am a car geek. So to say the least each motor and manufacturer have their pros and cons. Plus I miss the days of buying a whole front clip for $900 shipped for ans S13 Redtop. Damn band wagoners make my hobby so damn expensive.


My .02 cents


Amir

P.S.

FLAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:

Only gonna touch on a few points here...

First off, the entire point of your response is null and void...
So what if the RB25 is more expensive because of supply and demand... the point of it; is that it IS STILL MORE EXPENSIVE... thats the bottom line... PERIOD :weaksauce

300hp is not enough in a 2600lb car... I'll take 400hp from the 1jz or an LS1 swap... I'd honestly rather have 400-450whp and I dont feel like building a motor to handle it.

I see tons of TH400 trannies in Nissans... usually behind a Chevy V8 or some other kind of turbo solution (like a L28T or SR20).

The 1jz is far and away better than any Nissan motor with possible exception of the RB26... and ONLY because the RB26 has FAR MORE R&D into pushing the motor into the outer limits. No one has done that on the 1jz much, because the 2jz was available... and OH YEAH... it has made 1900hp+ on stock displacement and stock block... no radical oiling system for the head like the high-power RB26 motors require.

As for the manual vs automatic thing... who cares if Toyota put out a lot of cars with autos? I know how to get a manual tranny in there for dirt cheap.... MKIII Supra Turbo trannies go for $200 in junkyards and they are just as strong as any Nissan transmission.

Sorry, but 240sx's are not going to make any significant increase in value... maybe in California where people buy into that kind of hype... but you can find them everywhere around here... stock and modified.

As far as SCs and MKIVs in magazines with swaps or turbokits... I see plenty... and guess what? They are all faster than the average 'SR-swap'.

As for the craze 'being all Nissan now'...
I REALLY think you've been hanging around too many Nissan fanboys as of late... The JZ-chassis'd market right now is BOOMING... There are 800-1000hp Supras everywhere and TONS and TONS of 1jz, 2jz-gte, and NA-T swaps done on NA JZ-chassis cars. I realize there's tons of stuff out there for the 240sx and some stuff for the Sentra... but thats about it...
On the Toyota side you've got... let's see... N/A MKIVs, TT MKIVs, SC300s with options of 3 turbomotor routes, GS300s getting Aristo swaps, MKIIIs running the JZA70 1jz, IS300s doing GTE swaps and turbokits...

Toyota might not have made enough manual trannies... BUT... they did cram the 2jz into almost everything and kept it strong in every version (hell even the 'weak' 2jz-GE VVTI in the IS300 is stronger than the RB25)... and Supra fans are VERY loyal... and so are the shops... there are so many parts out there now for turbo setups compared to just 2 years ago that its ridiculous.

As for value? IF the RB25 were available for about $1500 then it'd be worth it... And yes I remember the days of when $1000 SR clips were around... back before there were very many swapped cars out there.

[ROPADOPA]

SIMPLE SUPPLY AND DEMAND! How many 1JZGTE's are running around in the nation in SC's and MKIII? Not as many as RB powered 240s

I guess you dont live in Florida home of the 1J.....

[soarerflame]

Don't take it the wrong way I am not trying to offend you in the end we agree to disagree so people if you read this its not a battle its just 2 adults having a conversational debate with each holding a different point of view.

Thanks!


ON WITH THE BATTLE OF STATS AND WITS!!!! (cracks whip):



I Guess i'll touch all the points because I am thorough.


Only gonna touch on a few points here...
First off, the entire point of your response is null and void...
So what if the RB25 is more expensive because of supply and demand... the point of it; is that it IS STILL MORE EXPENSIVE... thats the bottom line... PERIOD :hay: and :weaksauce

Exactly its more expensive because of supply and demand. The RB25 and SR20 swaps cost the same. You can do a whole swap for about 5 grand with intercooler, piping, bov, dp, tp, and exhaust. I also said

Also the reason they are so damn expensive is because the RB25 came in 1995 R33 to 2001 R34 (NEO 6 in R34) which are still fairly expensive cars.


Which means the motors are newer therefore the cars they came from are more expensive! :thefinger


The 1jz is far and away better than any Nissan motor with possible exception of the RB26... and ONLY because the RB26 has FAR MORE R&D into pushing the motor into the outer limits. No one has done that on the 1jz much, because the 2jz was available... and OH YEAH... it has made 1900hp+ on stock displacement and stock block... no radical oiling system for the head like the high-power RB26 motors require.

Okay that is your opinion but opinions are like assholes they all stink. But for the sake of argument :angel: I will play into this role. So you mean to tell me that the 1JZGTE and 2JZGTE didn't undergo similar development. If I recall the biggest players in the battle of the jap cars were Toyota and Nissan. Its kind of funny how the 1JZGTE in the MK3 was realeased the same time as the RB26 in the R32. They both have gone under major development with variable valve timing in the most recent versions. Ok now to the 2JZGTE and RB26 lets see about that. It was developed to out power and out perform all other similarly designed stock inline and v configured 6 cylinders. It cannot make as much power as the 2JZGTE due to limit of displacement. It has a very peaky powerband due to its racing heritage and loves to be revved (like the 1JZGTE). Mated to one of the most advanced drivetrains in the market circa 1990. Now the 2JZGTE is a great motor and I respect it but like i said early its like comparing nuts to bolts. Very similar but different.

they did cram the 2jz into almost everything and kept it strong in every version (hell even the 'weak' 2jz-GE VVTI in the IS300 is stronger than the RB25)

The RB26 is good for about 800hp with stock valvetrain and bottomend and proper fuel and the RB25 Neo 6 is good for almost 600hp on stock internals now suprising isn't it when you compare both motors in matching years. Don't compare a 1995 RB25 to a 2001 2JZGE. Compare the same years to have matching development standards. Now both the 2JZGE and RB25 in 2001 can take a beating but the RB25 again has half less volume. Very similar but different.

Just a question for you does it ever occur to you why TopSecret, PowerHouse Amuse, SARD, Castrol Toms, (all are Toyota based race teams) ditched the 2JZGTE for the 3SGTE in all their race cars? IRON BLOCK because its HEAVY not because its bullet proof. They chose a LIGHTER smaller configuration that was pushed to the limits and beyond. They can adjust balance by placing the motor elsewhere therefore yielding better results on the basis of handling. Nissan ditched the RB series after 1998 and went to a VQ35 all aluminum because of an overall short length and height to yeild the same results in chassis development. So balance is the key here to make both the Supra and Skyline what they are today as competitive as they are now. On a racetrack that is not straight and actually has corners in it and if both cars were set up with the same hp and weight and equal amounts of suspension and brake tuning with tire considerations showing matching contact patches that correspond to each wheel. Then it would be all on the driver to decide which one is better.

I personally prefer lower weight and less power to do the same as more weight and more power. I love my SC its great car and the more I work on it the more I learn. I have started the whole SC craze at the shop and have gotten 4 people on the band wagon. YES I AM TO BLAME FOR THAT IN NASHVILLE :dancingco . They see Supra power for 240sx money. :jerkit:


Sorry, but 240sx's are not going to make any significant increase in value... maybe in California where people buy into that kind of hype... but you can find them everywhere around here... stock and modified.

http://www.autotrader.com
http://www.ebaymotors.com

look at those prices and let me know
kind of high for old car prices aren't they

I REALLY think you've been hanging around too many Nissan fanboys as of late...

Didn't I say that!

I know i am on a Toyota board and I am a Nissan Geek but most of all I am a car geek.

That means I was a Nissan loyalist since day one. Thank god I owned a Honda too because they are wrong wheel drive and taught me lots but I am glad I own a Toyota. They are great manufacturers in all honesty but you can't compare them. If I had to choose one I a must admit i would rather have the Nissan. But I don't live in a world where I had to choose. So fuck it I'll have both :brownnose

The JZ-chassis'd market right now is BOOMING... There are 800-1000hp Supras everywhere and TONS and TONS of 1jz, 2jz-gte, and NA-T swaps done on NA JZ-chassis cars....

I realize there's tons of stuff out there for the 240sx and some stuff for the Sentra... but thats about it....

Isn't that what I said in different words:

I can safely say that every magazine I have read in the last 12 months has had at least one nissan powered vehicle in it except for Honda Tuning and Euro Tuner. The 240SX is the new civic and the new integra. On face value I do believe that in the next 24 months the craze will triple but will also spread like wild fire to the SC's. They are affordable now and stupid power can be had for a whole lot less than expected.

On the Toyota side you've got... let's see... N/A MKIVs, TT MKIVs, SC300s with options of 3 turbomotor routes, GS300s getting Aristo swaps, MKIIIs running the JZA70 1jz, IS300s doing GTE swaps and turbokits...


OK every 240 out there is either in the process of a turbo kit or swap hell some are getting all motor buildups. So are the Z's and infiniti M30's. So you're saying that nissan turbo cars don't deserve the same classification. Lets compare the cars


NISSAN TOYOTA/LEXUS
240sx MR2 (Both are a blast to drive
Z32 NA SC/Supra NA (Heavy but nice as cruisers)
Z32 TT MKIV TT (TANKS)
Z31 T MK III T (both very nice but not very strong motors)
510 Corona (rare cars but nice too hard choice for me)
240/60/80Z 2000GT (too damn expensive)
G35 IS300 (The IS350 will be better)
350Z/G35C SC430???? (MAJOR PRICE DIFFERENCE AND PERFORMANC)
R32 GTR MKIII T????? (GTR vs MKIII HMM LET ME THINK! :thefinger )
R33 GTR MKIV TT (TOUGH CHOICE)
R34 GTR MKIV TT (R34 wins drag and roadcourse (TopGear 12/2001))
New GTR Volta (Yet TBD the balls in Toyota's ourt)
M30 ?????????????? (NOTHING FROM TOYOTA 2 COMPARE
J30 GS300 (Both old and slow)

GO FIGURE! :rant2:

As for value? IF the RB25 were available for about $1500 then it'd be worth it... And yes I remember the days of when $1000 SR clips were around... back before there were very many swapped cars out there.

It is worth it cause you can build a damn good setup off of an S13/S14 chassis with an RB/SR/KA-T/VQ/VH swap for about $12,000+. Cheaper than the price of an NA Supra/SC with a turbo kit or swapped JZ that only makes 300 hp or a stock/modded TT for $26,000+. You can have an RB25 S13 with about 450- 500 in a lighter car = better. :ylsuper:power to weight ratio. :ylsuper:

I guess you dont live in Florida home of the 1J.....

CAN I PLEASE GET A 1JZ COUNT! I AM TALKING ABOUT RUNNING MOTORS IN CARS driven daily. Here in Nashville I can show you 8 RB25 and RB20s and 2 RB26's in a Q45 Anniversary Edition with AWD and 6SPD. If those numbers represent nashville imagine the rest of the nation that is on a 240SX craze including Cali home of the super illegal turbo swaps. I know Florida is the home of the Supras I am not ignorant.



Your turn! :angel:

[soarerflame]

I guess I win